From karthik172 at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 11:32:39 2009
From: karthik172 at gmail.com (Kuberan Marimuthu)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 11:32:39 +0530
Subject: [MoMoBangalore] Cheapest Google Android Phone
Message-ID: <d637488b0904012302x4a1a9db0qc96389f4fa798036@mail.gmail.com>

Hi ppl,

I would like to know what is the cheapest price for which i can buy an
android phone and where can i buy it because student developers like me
cannot afford to buy phone for 25-30 K. Please let me know i can buy one for
less than 20 or 15K.

regards,
kuberan
Spot ur Train on mobile - www.mobyqube.com
Finance Recommendations success rate - www.mobyqube.com/finance
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From sean at babajob.com  Thu Apr  2 15:07:36 2009
From: sean at babajob.com (Sean Blagsvedt)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 15:07:36 +0530
Subject: [MoMoBangalore] Service to look-up a user's circle/carrier by
	mobile number?
Message-ID: <024301c9b376$ad6f38b0$084daa10$@com>

HI MoMo folks, 

 

I was just wondering if anyone knew of a service wherein a user's carrier
and/or circle could be determined from their mobile number. Is there a
public number DB anywhere of circle and carrier allotments?

 

Thanks in advance,

Sean

http://Babajob.com/sean  

PS. We are still hiring for dev positions and still looking to share
real-estate around Richmond/MD Rd. Ping me if you are interested. 

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From ganges.morekonda at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 15:11:43 2009
From: ganges.morekonda at gmail.com (Ganges Morekonda)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 15:11:43 +0530
Subject: [MoMoBangalore] Service to look-up a user's circle/carrier by
	mobile number?
In-Reply-To: <024301c9b376$ad6f38b0$084daa10$@com>
References: <024301c9b376$ad6f38b0$084daa10$@com>
Message-ID: <2858cd560904020241s2375444fga794abdc8420cd01@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Sean,

Try this:

http://www.numberingplans.com/?page=analysis&sub=phonenr

/ganges

On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Sean Blagsvedt <sean at babajob.com> wrote:
> HI MoMo folks,
>
>
>
> I was just wondering if anyone knew of a service wherein a user?s carrier
> and/or circle could be determined from their mobile number. Is there a
> public number DB anywhere of circle and carrier allotments?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Sean
>
> http://Babajob.com/sean
>
> PS. We are still hiring for dev positions and still looking to share
> real-estate around Richmond/MD Rd. Ping me if you are interested.
>
> _______________________________________________
> bangalore mailing list
> bangalore at mobilemonday.in
> http://mobilemonday.in/mailman/listinfo/bangalore
>
>

From ganges.morekonda at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 15:16:56 2009
From: ganges.morekonda at gmail.com (Ganges Morekonda)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 15:16:56 +0530
Subject: [MoMoBangalore] Service to look-up a user's circle/carrier by
	mobile number?
In-Reply-To: <2858cd560904020241s2375444fga794abdc8420cd01@mail.gmail.com>
References: <024301c9b376$ad6f38b0$084daa10$@com>
	<2858cd560904020241s2375444fga794abdc8420cd01@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2858cd560904020246y1c7ec3a1p7d34132f47282eae@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.numberingplans.com/?page=databases

/ganges
http://gangesblog.blogspot.com

On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Ganges Morekonda
<ganges.morekonda at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Sean,
>
> Try this:
>
> http://www.numberingplans.com/?page=analysis&sub=phonenr
>
> /ganges
>
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Sean Blagsvedt <sean at babajob.com> wrote:
>> HI MoMo folks,
>>
>>
>>
>> I was just wondering if anyone knew of a service wherein a user?s carrier
>> and/or circle could be determined from their mobile number. Is there a
>> public number DB anywhere of circle and carrier allotments?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Sean
>>
>> http://Babajob.com/sean
>>
>> PS. We are still hiring for dev positions and still looking to share
>> real-estate around Richmond/MD Rd. Ping me if you are interested.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> bangalore mailing list
>> bangalore at mobilemonday.in
>> http://mobilemonday.in/mailman/listinfo/bangalore
>>
>>
>

From singhgupi at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 15:30:24 2009
From: singhgupi at gmail.com (Gurpreet Singh)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 15:30:24 +0530
Subject: [MoMoBangalore] Service to look-up a user's circle/carrier by
	mobile number?
In-Reply-To: <2858cd560904020246y1c7ec3a1p7d34132f47282eae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <024301c9b376$ad6f38b0$084daa10$@com>
	<2858cd560904020241s2375444fga794abdc8420cd01@mail.gmail.com>
	<2858cd560904020246y1c7ec3a1p7d34132f47282eae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fa0aec910904020300m50c778eai8a5b43331c340ec8@mail.gmail.com>

This also works:
http://www.tp2location.com
But don't know whether they have public apis...

There is one more(for India), I guess made by someone in his free time:
http://www.informationmadness.com/cms/index.php?option=com_search_misscall&Itemid=124

Regards
Gurpreet
http://www.mobisy.com

On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Ganges Morekonda <ganges.morekonda at gmail.com
> wrote:

> http://www.numberingplans.com/?page=databases
>
> /ganges
> http://gangesblog.blogspot.com
>
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Ganges Morekonda
> <ganges.morekonda at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Sean,
> >
> > Try this:
> >
> > http://www.numberingplans.com/?page=analysis&sub=phonenr
> >
> > /ganges
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Sean Blagsvedt <sean at babajob.com> wrote:
> >> HI MoMo folks,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I was just wondering if anyone knew of a service wherein a user?s
> carrier
> >> and/or circle could be determined from their mobile number. Is there a
> >> public number DB anywhere of circle and carrier allotments?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance,
> >>
> >> Sean
> >>
> >> http://Babajob.com/sean
> >>
> >> PS. We are still hiring for dev positions and still looking to share
> >> real-estate around Richmond/MD Rd. Ping me if you are interested.
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> bangalore mailing list
> >> bangalore at mobilemonday.in
> >> http://mobilemonday.in/mailman/listinfo/bangalore
> >>
> >>
> >
> _______________________________________________
> bangalore mailing list
> bangalore at mobilemonday.in
> http://mobilemonday.in/mailman/listinfo/bangalore
>
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From banibrata.dutta at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 15:38:24 2009
From: banibrata.dutta at gmail.com (Banibrata Dutta)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 15:38:24 +0530
Subject: [MoMoBangalore] how-to Q: deviceanywhere.com like phone
	hot-wiring/hacking ?
Message-ID: <3de8e1f70904020308v2c0d8151tebdbc6abf0ab4fe5@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
Any pointers (websites, shops, people, hobby-groups...) that do (or teach
you to DIY), GSM/CDMA mobile phone hot-wiring ?
Since 'hot-wiring' is an absolute vague-term, so let me explain the
objective --
1) To be able to drill holes in the body of phones, s.t. battery is replaced
by permanent DC power sources (wired)
2) To be able to connect the phone's speaker (Speaker/headset mode) to
mic-in/line-in of PC, and the phone's mic to line-out/headphones socket of
PC sound-card
3) To be able to connect to the phone to be able to control it's operations,
esply to make/receive phone calls/SMS under PC control, even for devices
that do not have a PC-connectivity option built-in ... i don't mind drilling
holes or even ripping the whole thing apart, for as long as it work, under
PC control.

... pretty much like what Deviceanywhere.com folks do. While they do it for
every conceivable phone, I'd be happy to live with being able to do so with
absolutely lowend Motorola and Nokia handsets. In a way, those handsets
which typically don't have a PC-connectivity option natively.

-- 
regards,
Banibrata
http://www.linkedin.com/in/bdutta
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From banibrata.dutta at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 15:49:32 2009
From: banibrata.dutta at gmail.com (Banibrata Dutta)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 15:49:32 +0530
Subject: [MoMoBangalore] Service to look-up a user's circle/carrier by
	mobile number?
In-Reply-To: <024301c9b376$ad6f38b0$084daa10$@com>
References: <024301c9b376$ad6f38b0$084daa10$@com>
Message-ID: <3de8e1f70904020319t61591ed9i5171f173c036970e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Sean:
Note that, with Re.1 roaming charges, there are quite a few people who carry
their mobile around the country, and don't change it for a long time. I know
of 3-4 people who do this, myself. Of course, I do not expect the percentage
of such subscribers to be more than say 0.5% :-)

Guessing your use-case I think this shouldn't be a big deal.

cheers,
Bani

On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Sean Blagsvedt <sean at babajob.com> wrote:

>  HI MoMo folks,
>
>
>
> I was just wondering if anyone knew of a service wherein a user?s carrier
> and/or circle could be determined from their mobile number. Is there a
> public number DB anywhere of circle and carrier allotments?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Sean
>
> http://Babajob.com/sean
>
> PS. We are still hiring for dev positions and still looking to share
> real-estate around Richmond/MD Rd. Ping me if you are interested.
>
> _______________________________________________
> bangalore mailing list
> bangalore at mobilemonday.in
> http://mobilemonday.in/mailman/listinfo/bangalore
>
>


-- 
regards,
Banibrata
http://www.linkedin.com/in/bdutta
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From mkreddy_in at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  2 17:53:40 2009
From: mkreddy_in at yahoo.com (Kesava Reddy)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 17:53:40 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [MoMoBangalore] Service to look-up a user's circle/carrier by
	mobile number?
In-Reply-To: <fa0aec910904020300m50c778eai8a5b43331c340ec8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <024301c9b376$ad6f38b0$084daa10$@com>
	<2858cd560904020241s2375444fga794abdc8420cd01@mail.gmail.com>
	<2858cd560904020246y1c7ec3a1p7d34132f47282eae@mail.gmail.com>
	<fa0aec910904020300m50c778eai8a5b43331c340ec8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <722409.91430.qm@web94815.mail.in2.yahoo.com>

Dear Sean,

Greetings!
Please find the MSCCODES.xls. This is near to one year old.
I will send you a script which can converts COAI data to excel file. Will send the script in a separate mail!

We have developed this script long back.. unfortunately COAI data itself is not upto date!

With Regards
Kesava Reddy.M




________________________________
From: Gurpreet Singh <singhgupi at gmail.com>
To: MoMo Bangalore <bangalore at mobilemonday.in>
Cc: Vir Kashyap <vir at babajob.com>; Vibhore Goyal <vibhore at babajob.com>; Asha Balu <asha at babajob.com>
Sent: Thursday, 2 April, 2009 3:30:24 PM
Subject: Re: [MoMoBangalore] Service to look-up a user's circle/carrier by mobile number?

This also works:
http://www.tp2location.com
But don't know whether they have public apis...

There is one more(for India), I guess made by someone in his free time:
http://www.informationmadness.com/cms/index.php?option=com_search_misscall&Itemid=124

Regards
Gurpreet
http://www.mobisy.com


On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Ganges Morekonda <ganges.morekonda at gmail.com> wrote:

http://www.numberingplans.com/?page=databases

/ganges
http://gangesblog.blogspot.com


On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Ganges Morekonda
<ganges.morekonda at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Sean,
>
> Try this:
>
> http://www.numberingplans.com/?page=analysis&sub=phonenr
>
> /ganges
>
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Sean Blagsvedt <sean at babajob.com> wrote:
>> HI MoMo folks,
>>
>>
>>
>> I was just wondering if anyone knew of a service wherein a user?s carrier
>> and/or circle could be determined from their mobile number. Is there a
>> public number DB anywhere of circle and carrier allotments?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Sean
>>
>> http://Babajob.com/sean
>>
>> PS. We are still hiring for dev positions and still looking to share
>> real-estate around Richmond/MD Rd. Ping me if you are interested.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> bangalore mailing list
>> bangalore at mobilemonday.in
>> http://mobilemonday.in/mailman/listinfo/bangalore
>>
>>
>
_______________________________________________
bangalore mailing list
bangalore at mobilemonday.in
http://mobilemonday..in/mailman/listinfo/bangalore


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From yusufimotiwala at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 11:48:55 2009
From: yusufimotiwala at gmail.com (Yusuf Motiwala)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 11:48:55 +0530
Subject: [MoMoBangalore] Cheapest Google Android Phone
In-Reply-To: <d637488b0904012302x4a1a9db0qc96389f4fa798036@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d637488b0904012302x4a1a9db0qc96389f4fa798036@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <354b41010904022318o68335ec4j101c1c759debeafa@mail.gmail.com>

You may want to check out Android ports for HTC touch phones (available at
relatively low price tag - used for around 6K).

http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/

If this works for you, check xda developers forum too with tons of info on
same subject.

Yusuf


On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Kuberan Marimuthu <karthik172 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi ppl,
>
> I would like to know what is the cheapest price for which i can buy an
> android phone and where can i buy it because student developers like me
> cannot afford to buy phone for 25-30 K. Please let me know i can buy one for
> less than 20 or 15K.
>
> regards,
> kuberan
> Spot ur Train on mobile - www.mobyqube.com
> Finance Recommendations success rate - www.mobyqube.com/finance
>
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From mahesh_shirgaonkar at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  3 12:25:10 2009
From: mahesh_shirgaonkar at yahoo.com (Mahesh Shirgaonkar)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 23:55:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [MoMoBangalore] Cheapest Google Android Phone
In-Reply-To: <354b41010904022318o68335ec4j101c1c759debeafa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d637488b0904012302x4a1a9db0qc96389f4fa798036@mail.gmail.com>
	<354b41010904022318o68335ec4j101c1c759debeafa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <498062.86385.qm@web56902.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi Kuberan

Do you need network access (send/receive voice calls) for your app? If not, I would guess that you should be able to develop most of your application on the android emulator. Once your app runs on the emulator you could look at hacking an HTC Touch to run andriod and thus your app. I would have spared my old HTC Touch, but, the screen is badly damaged.


If you haven't already seen it, here's the link to the android emulator: http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/tools/emulator.html.

BTW, did you develop the finance recommendations app? Could you please explain it because I didn't get it! :)

HTH!

Regards,
Mahesh R. Shirgaonkar






________________________________
From: Yusuf Motiwala <yusufimotiwala at gmail.com>
To: MoMo Bangalore <bangalore at mobilemonday.in>; bangalore_barcamp at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 11:48:55 AM
Subject: Re: [MoMoBangalore] Cheapest Google Android Phone

You may want to check out Android ports for HTC touch phones (available at relatively low price tag - used for around 6K).

http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/

If this works for you, check xda developers forum too with tons of info on same subject.

Yusuf



On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Kuberan Marimuthu <karthik172 at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi ppl,

I would like to know what is the cheapest price for which i can buy an android phone and where can i buy it because student developers like me cannot afford to buy phone for 25-30 K. Please let me know i can buy one for less than 20 or 15K.

regards,
kuberan
Spot ur Train on mobile - www.mobyqube.com
Finance Recommendations success rate - www.mobyqube.com/finance


      
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From mahendra.groups at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 14:26:28 2009
From: mahendra.groups at gmail.com (Mahendra Baid)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 14:26:28 +0530
Subject: [MoMoBangalore] Office space to be shared
Message-ID: <20cb723d0904030156u132177f6of0a61f42ff401434@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

This is Mahendra. We would like to share our office space with any start up.
We have got 8 seater fully furnished space. If anybody interested, please
email me separately.

Our office is located near Pallavi Theater (Hudson Circle), Bangalore.

Mahendra
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From mishra.anoop at gmail.com  Mon Apr  6 18:59:15 2009
From: mishra.anoop at gmail.com (Anoop Mishra)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 18:59:15 +0530
Subject: [MoMoBangalore] Info Req. on Mobile short/long code and IVR
Message-ID: <49da03b4.07686e0a.1654.2419@mx.google.com>

Hello Friends,

Greetings!!

 

I need little information from MoMo Fraternity. Please share your views.

 

1.       What is the difference between mobile short code and long code
numbering from following perspective?

a.       Does it require License/agreement from mobile service provider to
have short/long code number for commercial purpose? If yes, then what is the
approach and licensing fee?

b.      We all know the cost of sending the SMS either to short code or long
code number, which depends on operator, plan and geography factors. Is there
any probability to have standard flat rate (let say 1 Re., irrespective of
mobile service provider, plan and geography) for sending SMS to long code
number (For short code it is normally 3 Rs. Flat across geography). Is there
any such arrangement (for long codes), already in place for sake of example
or understanding?

c.       Do we need to share revenue with Mobile service provider? (Let say
business model is something like Google SMS, which gives search results to
the user on SMS request).

d.      Do we need to give some commitment while doing licensing/agreement
with mobile service provider? For Ex. Commitment of number of SMS per
month/quarter.

 

2.       How effective is IVR based calls to collect confidential
information (like account number or password) from user. Please share info
about its operational cost and economic viability.

 

3.       "Deduct the requested amount against service from user
prepaid/postpaid account and pass it to the service provider". Can Mobile
service provider deduct the requested amount? 

Is it feasible in India? If yes, then pls. share the information. If not,
then what are the regulatory issues which are hindering to make it happen? I
see lot of potential here.

 

If possible, please help me by sharing mobile service provider
(Airtel/Vodafone/Aircel) contact to discuss more on business. 

 

Thanks & Regards,

Anoop Mishra

Walnut Technologies,

Bangalore.

09008477445

09341244367

 

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From banibrata.dutta at gmail.com  Fri Apr 10 12:04:20 2009
From: banibrata.dutta at gmail.com (Banibrata Dutta)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:04:20 +0530
Subject: [MoMoBangalore] FW: Info Req. on Mobile short/long code and IVR
In-Reply-To: <49deda6e.0c486e0a.5587.6041@mx.google.com>
References: <49deda6e.0c486e0a.5587.6041@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <3de8e1f70904092334i25aab514rb69dbb6cdb3a3819@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Anoop,
I would like to see some discussion around this, so sending this out to the
community.

Please see some answers/comments inline.

On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Anoop Mishra <mishra.anoop at gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> 1.       What is the difference between mobile short code and long code
> numbering from following perspective?
>
a.       Does it require License/agreement from mobile service provider to
> have short/long code number for commercial purpose? If yes, then what is the
> approach and licensing fee?
>
Well, anybody who offers any kind of "service" using some aspects of
telephony, in-theory comes under the purview of "Telecom VAS" regulations,
which require a "VAS License" to be sought. However, in practise, my
impression is there are many who get away without this license. There are
loopholes and law is after-all a matter of interpretation and
representation. There is indeed a License fee for it. Also, it doesn't
matter (for the purpose of Licensing), whether you use Short-codes &
Long-codes. The difference however is there in terms of your investment
requirement, because for Short-codes, you have to typically depend purely on
Operator for billing, because Short-codes typically are premium services
(not necessarily though), and operators charge a premium for usage of the
short-code... something which operators consider a scarce resource, and
having economic value. BTW, Short-codes are not created equal, since you
have shortest possible 5-digit (today) short-codes which are most expensive,
and the cost of "Easy-to-remember-numbers" being costliest (eg. "58888",
"55555") and then relatively cheaper longer short-codes. For longer
short-codes, you generally deal with re-sellers, who will then put their
premium.

With long-codes (i.e normal length phone nos.), there are 2 possibilities.
The commonest, is to use it as an Over-the-Top service, i.e. your usage of
the number is indistinguishable to the operator as a premium or
differentiated service, from a billing aspect, because you make or receive
calls just as an ordinary phone number. Of course, there cost of enterprise
grade services, s.a. Single-Number / Hunt-Groups / Direct-Inward-Dialling
etc., are optional extra (esply if you want to use 1 number, or bunch of
numbers in a lot), which you pay to the Telco, but nothing extra-ordinary,
i.e. you are still using regular consumer grade billing processes. The other
rarer alternative with long-codes is having arrangements with Telco to do
reverse-charging, charge-back.... very very uncommon in India, but
theoretically possible. Haven't see anyone doing this so far.

> b.      We all know the cost of sending the SMS either to short code or
> long code number, which depends on operator, plan and geography factors. Is
> there any probability to have standard flat rate (let say 1 Re.,
> irrespective of mobile service provider, plan and geography) for sending SMS
> to long code number (For short code it is normally 3 Rs. Flat across
> geography). Is there any such arrangement (for long codes), already in place
> for sake of example or understanding?
>
Believe me, if you have the financial and other clout, _anything_ is
possible. This not just philosophical bull but a living/working reality.
Having said that, I believe your question is "is it possible for smaller
startups" ? If so, then the answer is typically you have to negotiate
separately with each and every other operator to have a pan-India,
any-operator to any-operator short-code, and believe me, getting
shortest-length (5 digit) short-code with multiple operators is -- well,
very enlightening (& frustrating) experience. Which is why there has been
some move to have a short-code clearing-house kind of agency (forgetting if
it was the TRAI consultative paper or not). Most VAS operators (esply the
smaller ones) see this as a huge issue. The above is mostly the challenge
for "short-codes". As for long-codes for over-the-top service, you have no
control, because you are basically a transparent little (or big) regular
telephony consumer, with a regular number, nothing fancy about billing. So
if you are on a Rs.2.40/- per SMS rate plan, or your bro is on a Re.1/- per
SMS rate plan, OTT service users pay just that.

> c.       Do we need to share revenue with Mobile service provider? (Let
> say business model is something like Google SMS, which gives search results
> to the user on SMS request).
>
For OTT service, there is no revenue share (even though Operators might like
to think otherwise), but OTT services are just that, Over-the-freaking-top
of Telco's billing dragnet ! ;-) Google SMS is a classic example. BTW, OTT
services are actually good news for telco. They bring the regular base-rate
traffic in.

> d.      Do we need to give some commitment while doing licensing/agreement
> with mobile service provider? For Ex. Commitment of number of SMS per
> month/quarter.
>
With Telcos/operators directly, yes indeed, there is typically a traffic
commitment, or minimal revenue guarantee, but then everything boils down to
negotiations, there is nothing standards. With resellers, since they've
taken the commitment & passed on a cost / premium to you for same, typically
they are less strict on commitment (or ask for none at all). Higher the
commitment you are willing to make, cheaper the per SMS rate you'd get.

>
>
> 2.       How effective is IVR based calls to collect confidential
> information (like account number or password) from user. Please share info
> about its operational cost and economic viability.
>
Doesn't your bank and credit card company do all the time ? It's been an
industry for past 15 years :-). Well, there are certain safeguards that are
expected to be implemented in IVR based solutions, pertaining to privacy,
personal-data-security aspects.

However, your question is very broadbased ? The FOSS Asterisk can be setup
as an IVR for [ Cost of server + FXO/FXS cards/boards or E1 cards etc. +
Cost of consulting/setup/AMC + Cost of electricity/backups etc.+ Telco cost
angle] at one's own data-centre, at one end of the band, to hosted
completely in the Telco network, with you paying just a usage-cost, or yet
another extreme being running it off as Service on 3rd party providers. The
cost of setting up the IVR, has many many aspects to consider. Whether or
not you need ASR/TTS (Automatic Speech Recognition) / (Text To Speech) etc.

TringMe (our friends from OCC/Headstart network), launched the VoicePHP Beta
site. I'm sure Yusuf will have something to add. That's another possiblity.

>
>
> 3.       ?Deduct the requested amount against service from user
> prepaid/postpaid account and pass it to the service provider?. Can Mobile
> service provider deduct the requested amount?
>
> Is it feasible in India? If yes, then pls. share the information. If not,
> then what are the regulatory issues which are hindering to make it happen? I
> see lot of potential here.
>
mCheck or other similar mobile-Payment VAS providers now I believe can
enable such things, of course in consort with operators.

>  If possible, please help me by sharing mobile service provider
> (Airtel/Vodafone/Aircel) contact to discuss more on business.
>
All of those list the nos. to contact for their Enterprise services. You
could go thru them.

-- 
regards,
Banibrata
http://www.linkedin.com/in/bdutta
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From mishra.anoop at gmail.com  Fri Apr 10 19:02:33 2009
From: mishra.anoop at gmail.com (Anoop Mishra)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:02:33 +0530
Subject: [MoMoBangalore] FW: Info Req. on Mobile short/long code and IVR
In-Reply-To: <3de8e1f70904092334i25aab514rb69dbb6cdb3a3819@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49deda6e.0c486e0a.5587.6041@mx.google.com>
	<3de8e1f70904092334i25aab514rb69dbb6cdb3a3819@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49df4a81.044e6e0a.532a.2562@mx.google.com>

Dear Friends,

Greetings!!

 

I appreciate Kesava, Banibrata and Ganapathy efforts for sharing their
views!!!

I still feel that many of our friends have something more to share with the
community members.

 

It would be nice if you can share mobile service provider contact
(marketing/technical) to discuss more on business.

 

Regards,

Anoop Mishra

Walnut Technologies,

Bangalore.

09008477445

09341244367

 

From: Banibrata Dutta [mailto:banibrata.dutta at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 12:04 PM
To: Anoop Mishra
Cc: MoMo Bangalore; HeadStart Network
Subject: Re: FW: Info Req. on Mobile short/long code and IVR

 

Hi Anoop,

 

I would like to see some discussion around this, so sending this out to the
community.

 

Please see some answers/comments inline.

On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Anoop Mishra <mishra.anoop at gmail.com>
wrote:

 

1.       What is the difference between mobile short code and long code
numbering from following perspective? 

a.       Does it require License/agreement from mobile service provider to
have short/long code number for commercial purpose? If yes, then what is the
approach and licensing fee?

Well, anybody who offers any kind of "service" using some aspects of
telephony, in-theory comes under the purview of "Telecom VAS" regulations,
which require a "VAS License" to be sought. However, in practise, my
impression is there are many who get away without this license. There are
loopholes and law is after-all a matter of interpretation and
representation. There is indeed a License fee for it. Also, it doesn't
matter (for the purpose of Licensing), whether you use Short-codes &
Long-codes. The difference however is there in terms of your investment
requirement, because for Short-codes, you have to typically depend purely on
Operator for billing, because Short-codes typically are premium services
(not necessarily though), and operators charge a premium for usage of the
short-code... something which operators consider a scarce resource, and
having economic value. BTW, Short-codes are not created equal, since you
have shortest possible 5-digit (today) short-codes which are most expensive,
and the cost of "Easy-to-remember-numbers" being costliest (eg. "58888",
"55555") and then relatively cheaper longer short-codes. For longer
short-codes, you generally deal with re-sellers, who will then put their
premium. 

 

With long-codes (i.e normal length phone nos.), there are 2 possibilities.
The commonest, is to use it as an Over-the-Top service, i.e. your usage of
the number is indistinguishable to the operator as a premium or
differentiated service, from a billing aspect, because you make or receive
calls just as an ordinary phone number. Of course, there cost of enterprise
grade services, s.a. Single-Number / Hunt-Groups / Direct-Inward-Dialling
etc., are optional extra (esply if you want to use 1 number, or bunch of
numbers in a lot), which you pay to the Telco, but nothing extra-ordinary,
i.e. you are still using regular consumer grade billing processes. The other
rarer alternative with long-codes is having arrangements with Telco to do
reverse-charging, charge-back.... very very uncommon in India, but
theoretically possible. Haven't see anyone doing this so far.

b.      We all know the cost of sending the SMS either to short code or long
code number, which depends on operator, plan and geography factors. Is there
any probability to have standard flat rate (let say 1 Re., irrespective of
mobile service provider, plan and geography) for sending SMS to long code
number (For short code it is normally 3 Rs. Flat across geography). Is there
any such arrangement (for long codes), already in place for sake of example
or understanding?

Believe me, if you have the financial and other clout, _anything_ is
possible. This not just philosophical bull but a living/working reality.
Having said that, I believe your question is "is it possible for smaller
startups" ? If so, then the answer is typically you have to negotiate
separately with each and every other operator to have a pan-India,
any-operator to any-operator short-code, and believe me, getting
shortest-length (5 digit) short-code with multiple operators is -- well,
very enlightening (& frustrating) experience. Which is why there has been
some move to have a short-code clearing-house kind of agency (forgetting if
it was the TRAI consultative paper or not). Most VAS operators (esply the
smaller ones) see this as a huge issue. The above is mostly the challenge
for "short-codes". As for long-codes for over-the-top service, you have no
control, because you are basically a transparent little (or big) regular
telephony consumer, with a regular number, nothing fancy about billing. So
if you are on a Rs.2.40/- per SMS rate plan, or your bro is on a Re.1/- per
SMS rate plan, OTT service users pay just that.

c.       Do we need to share revenue with Mobile service provider? (Let say
business model is something like Google SMS, which gives search results to
the user on SMS request).

For OTT service, there is no revenue share (even though Operators might like
to think otherwise), but OTT services are just that, Over-the-freaking-top
of Telco's billing dragnet ! ;-) Google SMS is a classic example. BTW, OTT
services are actually good news for telco. They bring the regular base-rate
traffic in. 

d.      Do we need to give some commitment while doing licensing/agreement
with mobile service provider? For Ex. Commitment of number of SMS per
month/quarter.

With Telcos/operators directly, yes indeed, there is typically a traffic
commitment, or minimal revenue guarantee, but then everything boils down to
negotiations, there is nothing standards. With resellers, since they've
taken the commitment & passed on a cost / premium to you for same, typically
they are less strict on commitment (or ask for none at all). Higher the
commitment you are willing to make, cheaper the per SMS rate you'd get. 

 

2.       How effective is IVR based calls to collect confidential
information (like account number or password) from user. Please share info
about its operational cost and economic viability.

Doesn't your bank and credit card company do all the time ? It's been an
industry for past 15 years :-). Well, there are certain safeguards that are
expected to be implemented in IVR based solutions, pertaining to privacy,
personal-data-security aspects.

 

However, your question is very broadbased ? The FOSS Asterisk can be setup
as an IVR for [ Cost of server + FXO/FXS cards/boards or E1 cards etc. +
Cost of consulting/setup/AMC + Cost of electricity/backups etc.+ Telco cost
angle] at one's own data-centre, at one end of the band, to hosted
completely in the Telco network, with you paying just a usage-cost, or yet
another extreme being running it off as Service on 3rd party providers. The
cost of setting up the IVR, has many many aspects to consider. Whether or
not you need ASR/TTS (Automatic Speech Recognition) / (Text To Speech) etc.

 

TringMe (our friends from OCC/Headstart network), launched the VoicePHP Beta
site. I'm sure Yusuf will have something to add. That's another possiblity.

 

3.       "Deduct the requested amount against service from user
prepaid/postpaid account and pass it to the service provider". Can Mobile
service provider deduct the requested amount? 

Is it feasible in India? If yes, then pls. share the information. If not,
then what are the regulatory issues which are hindering to make it happen? I
see lot of potential here.

mCheck or other similar mobile-Payment VAS providers now I believe can
enable such things, of course in consort with operators. 

 If possible, please help me by sharing mobile service provider
(Airtel/Vodafone/Aircel) contact to discuss more on business.

All of those list the nos. to contact for their Enterprise services. You
could go thru them. 

 

-- 
regards,
Banibrata
http://www.linkedin.com/in/bdutta

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From rajkiran718 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 10 21:03:19 2009
From: rajkiran718 at yahoo.com (raj kumar)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:03:19 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [MoMoBangalore] iPhone Developers
Message-ID: <44558.4722.qm@web94814.mail.in2.yahoo.com>


Hi,
Can any one help us to connect with company developed iPhone application.
Regards
Raj

       Connect with friends all over the world.  Get Yahoo! India Messenger..


      Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/
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From rohanjyots at gmail.com  Sun Apr 19 17:15:55 2009
From: rohanjyots at gmail.com (Jyotsna Fernandes)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:15:55 +0530
Subject: [MoMoBangalore] Earn 5.2 lakhs per month
Message-ID: <253030780904190445r497ee43fpda2927fa9f13923c@mail.gmail.com>

Hello there,

We have an amazing, RECESSION proof business opportunity through ORGANISED
RETAIL, with the capacity to earn you up to 5.2 lakh per month.


       To learn how kindly reply with your contact details.

              Name                      :

              Phone No.               :

              Profession               :


              City of Residence    :

Thanks & Regards
Jyotsna & Rohan

Tycoons International


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From mahendra.groups at gmail.com  Mon Apr 20 10:58:12 2009
From: mahendra.groups at gmail.com (Mahendra Baid)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:58:12 +0530
Subject: [MoMoBangalore] Earn 5.2 lakhs per month
In-Reply-To: <253030780904190445r497ee43fpda2927fa9f13923c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <253030780904190445r497ee43fpda2927fa9f13923c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20cb723d0904192228w187b8837j118d43f72b1a4e6e@mail.gmail.com>

Name                      : Mahendra Baid

              Phone No.               :  9886438584

              Profession               : Working


              City of Residence    : Bangalore


On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Jyotsna Fernandes <rohanjyots at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hello there,
>
> We have an amazing, RECESSION proof business opportunity through ORGANISED
> RETAIL, with the capacity to earn you up to 5.2 lakh per month.
>
>
>        To learn how kindly reply with your contact details.
>
>               Name                      :
>
>               Phone No.               :
>
>               Profession               :
>
>
>               City of Residence    :
>
> Thanks & Regards
> Jyotsna & Rohan
>
> Tycoons International
>
>
> God Bless You!
>
> _______________________________________________
> bangalore mailing list
> bangalore at mobilemonday.in
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From soumitra001 at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 20 11:06:15 2009
From: soumitra001 at hotmail.com (Soumitra Bhattacharyya)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 05:36:15 +0000
Subject: [MoMoBangalore] Earn 5.2 lakhs per month
In-Reply-To: <20cb723d0904192228w187b8837j118d43f72b1a4e6e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <253030780904190445r497ee43fpda2927fa9f13923c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20cb723d0904192228w187b8837j118d43f72b1a4e6e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY124-W15F302BB075B3CF48BDC6EF4760@phx.gbl>



 This is a network marketing stuff ... There are a 100s of company's related to Network marketing...

 


Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:58:12 +0530
From: mahendra.groups at gmail.com
To: bangalore at mobilemonday.in
Subject: Re: [MoMoBangalore] Earn 5.2 lakhs per month

Name                      : Mahendra Baid
  
              Phone No.               :  9886438584 
              Profession               : Working


              City of Residence    : Bangalore



On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Jyotsna Fernandes <rohanjyots at gmail.com> wrote:


Hello there, 
  
We have an amazing, RECESSION proof business opportunity through ORGANISED RETAIL, with the capacity to earn you up to 5.2 lakh per month.  
       
  
       To learn how kindly reply with your contact details. 
  
              Name                      : 
  
              Phone No.               : 
              Profession               :

              City of Residence    :
  
Thanks & Regards 
Jyotsna & Rohan 
Tycoons International

God Bless You! 
_______________________________________________
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From rajan at momobangalore.org  Mon Apr 20 22:14:19 2009
From: rajan at momobangalore.org (Thiyagarajan)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:14:19 +0530
Subject: [MoMoBangalore] MoMo April 209 event announced
Message-ID: <49ECA663.2070703@momobangalore.org>

Dear All,

  MoMo April 2009 event to be held on 27th april is just announced ,    

  Topic: *"Telecom - Is it really more than Plumbing".*
  Speaker: *Swami Krishnan, CEO/Director, IFIM Business School, Bangalore *

Kindly register to attend. 
http://momobangalore.org/index.php?option=com_attend_events&task=view&id=7&Itemid=0

Regards,
Rajan




From ganapathy at myduniya.com  Tue Apr 21 09:55:54 2009
From: ganapathy at myduniya.com (Ganapathy Subramanian)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:55:54 +0530
Subject: [MoMoBangalore] Help - GPS with google maps in ASUS - P320
In-Reply-To: <49ECA663.2070703@momobangalore.org>
References: <49ECA663.2070703@momobangalore.org>
Message-ID: <002001c9c239$47638a40$d62a9ec0$@com>

Has anyone managed to use GPS in conjunction with googlemaps in AsusP320?
Would be great to get the "knowhow"..

Thanks



From rajan at momobangalore.org  Fri Apr 24 19:02:30 2009
From: rajan at momobangalore.org (Thiyagarajan)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 19:02:30 +0530
Subject: [MoMoBangalore] Reminder of MoMo April 2009 event
Message-ID: <49F1BF6E.2060300@momobangalore.org>

Dear All,

   A gentle reminder of the April 2009 MoMo event  on the coming 
monday.  Registration link here 
http://momobangalore.org/index.php?option=com_attend_events&task=view&id=7&Itemid=0/


Regards,
M. ThiyagaRajan
Founder Trustee





From devadas.nct at gmail.com  Sun Apr 26 08:10:07 2009
From: devadas.nct at gmail.com (Devadas Pai)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 22:40:07 -0400
Subject: [MoMoBangalore] {Spam?} Devadas Pai sent you a Friend Request on
	Yaari
Message-ID: <9353f2dee04f347763618cfbfe7fb2c6@localhost.localdomain>

Devadas Pai wants you to join Yaari!

Is Devadas your friend?

<a href="http://yaari.com/?controller=user&action=mailregister&friend=1&sign=YaariQZA430CUC244LKI343BYU425">Yes, Devadas is my friend!</a> <a href="http://yaari.com/?controller=user&action=mailregister&friend=0&sign=YaariQZA430CUC244LKI343BYU425">No, Devadas isn't my friend.</a>

Please respond or Devadas may think you said no :(

Thanks,
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From rajan at momobangalore.org  Mon Apr 27 15:13:06 2009
From: rajan at momobangalore.org (Thiyagarajan)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:13:06 +0530
Subject: [MoMoBangalore] MoMo April 2009 event - cancelled
In-Reply-To: <49F1BF6E.2060300@momobangalore.org>
References: <49F1BF6E.2060300@momobangalore.org>
Message-ID: <49F57E2A.3080509@momobangalore.org>

Dear All,


    Today's momo event is cancelled due to unavoidable reasons.  We will 
reschedule it to next week/month and send out a notification. Sorry for 
the inconvenience caused.

http://momobangalore.org/index.php?option=com_attend_events&task=view&id=7&Itemid=0/



Regards,
M. ThiyagaRajan
Founder Trustee.

  

Thiyagarajan wrote:
> Dear All,
>
>   A gentle reminder of the April 2009 MoMo event  on the coming 
> monday.  Registration link here 
> http://momobangalore.org/index.php?option=com_attend_events&task=view&id=7&Itemid=0/ 
>
>
>
> Regards,
> M. ThiyagaRajan
> Founder Trustee
>
>
>
>
>